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In this episode, Bryan Fields (Twitter: @bryanfields24) and Kellan Finney (Twitter: @Kellan_Finney) sit down with Johanna Nuding (Twitter: @jonuding), Host of the Casually Baked Podcast:
Her journey to becoming a cannabis lifestyle guide // Understanding dosage levels and balancing infused products // The average length of a high when using infused products // Cannabis tourism and how it works // The similarities between the cannabis and wine industry // Why a personalized experience is important for learning about cannabis
Johanna Nuding is an entrepreneur, cannabis expert, and educator based in Oakland, CA. She has twenty years of experience building brands and customer engagement in professional sports, media, real estate, concert and lifestyle tours. She’s served the cannabis industry and community for five years through her edutainment platform, Casually Baked, where she showcases the evolving landscape, research, and science of contemporary cannabis. Her weekly “potcast” is in its fifth year and highlights the responsible side of plant medicine through candid chats with cannabis scientists and researchers worldwide, heritage and regenerative farmers, military veterans, makers, wellness practitioners, and cannabis industry leaders building the nascent legal cannabis
Connect with Johanna
Casually Baked, the Potcast: casuallybaked.com @casuallybaked on FB IG, Twitter. Casually Baked YouTube Channel
[00:00:00] Bryan Fields: [00:00:00] This is the dime, dive into the cannabis and hemp industry through trends, insights, predictions, and tangents.
[00:00:11] Bryan Fields: [00:00:11] What’s up guys. Welcome back to another episode of the dime as always. I’ve got my right hand, man, Kellen city here with me. And this week we’ve got a very special guest Joanna nuding host of the very popular, casual, big podcast, as well as the cannabis lifestyle guy.
[00:00:24] Joanna, thanks for taking the time. How are you doing
[00:00:26] Johanna Nuding: [00:00:26] today? Nice. Thanks for having me. I’m great. It’s a beautiful day in Oakland, California. No.
[00:00:32] Bryan Fields: [00:00:32] And how you doing today?
[00:00:33] Kellan Finney: [00:00:33] I’m doing well, you know, enjoying another sunny day out in Colorado. So no complaints,
[00:00:37] Bryan Fields: [00:00:37] I think before we dive into these questions, I’d love to learn a little bit about your background and how you got into the cannabis space.
[00:00:43] Johanna Nuding: [00:00:43] So that’s a pretty big question cause I’ve been on one hell of a roller coaster ride, but back in 2012, I quit a corporate marketing director job in Austin, Texas. I gave away all my things. I sold my car and I [00:01:00] moved to bologna Italy to ponder the question, how can I get paid to be myself? What would that look like?
[00:01:08] So I took a mid-life retirement and posted up in Italy and spent the next 16 months. Dreaming up being host of casually baked to the podcast and your cannabis lifestyle guide. Amazing.
[00:01:22] Bryan Fields: [00:01:22] Amazing. So I think before we dive into the hard hitting questions, let’s start with the hardest one of them, all your go-to meal after consuming cannabinoids, you
[00:01:31] Johanna Nuding: [00:01:31] know, that’s interesting because I think you shouldn’t like once I consume.
[00:01:37] Like if I eat, then it, the buzz starts going away. So I like to to hold off and then of course I’m going to get into some pasta. I mean, like pastable and Yazzie is one of my specialties, so I really liked to get high and then get in the kitchen and cook [00:02:00] and like work up the appetite and get excited about it.
[00:02:03] And of course, Burn myself and maybe cut myself every now and again, but you know, harmless, harmless fun in the kitchen.
[00:02:11] Bryan Fields: [00:02:11] Amazing. See, wherever nature just takes you in your experience,
[00:02:15] Kellan Finney: [00:02:15] was Italy a motivation for the apostle love or did you go to Italy because of your love for pasta?
[00:02:20] Johanna Nuding: [00:02:20] I think I might’ve been Italian in a former life, but I wasn’t a cook.
[00:02:26] You know, I was nervous in the kitchen and I had been experimenting. With making edibles. I had, I’ve always been more adventurous with cannabis than my friends were. And so, you know, when those very first vape pens came out with the little, you know, ceramic and the battery and you loaded a tiny little bowl.
[00:02:49] And so I was always trying out new products and then I started extracting. The oil and making butters and then cookies and [00:03:00] cupcakes and all kinds of stuff. You know, I was living in Austin, Texas, and it’s the music capital of the world. I believe we call it. So I would make cookies and brownies and rice Krispie treats and sell them to my friends before the major concerts and festivals.
[00:03:15] And those one day I sold. A thousand dollars worth of cookies in a day. So that was my comfort level in the kitchen was just baking edibles. But if I couldn’t invite somebody over for a meal, I was nervous wreck. I can’t make chicken. So, you know, when I moved to Italy, my whole process was I’m going to learn the art of doing nothing.
[00:03:39] I’m going to learn how to cook. And I’m just gonna, you know, be high and absorb this culture and figure it all out. And I cooked myself three meals a day and would, you know, I had, my refrigerator was the size of one of those in our dorm rooms in college. So it’s not like you can go to the store or, you know, fucking Costco or [00:04:00] something.
[00:04:00] So I was buying food every two days and having such a good time learning to cook and I didn’t speak Italian and I didn’t really have any intention of setting in a classroom. So I started learning more Italian by hanging out with people in the kitchen. And so I learned, started learning how to make really amazing sauces, how to turn leftovers into a, you know, a gourmet meal.
[00:04:27] And I kind of started learning Italian that way. And so when I came back, To the United States. I was a really confident chef and I was super confident to talk to people because everybody could understand the words coming out of my mouth and I, them. So that really was the best gift I ever gave myself.
[00:04:48] And you know, I’m, I’m single. Hello everyone. So I’m single and I know how to cook now. So I feel like it made me a more marketable partner,
[00:04:59] Bryan Fields: [00:04:59] strong characteristics [00:05:00] will pack all the single men out there. Have we experimented with any infused pastas, any sauces? This is a personal question of mine, because for me, the experience of eating pasta is one of my favorite things.
[00:05:12] And it’s, if I can get an infused dinner at the same time, I mean, we are checking two at the same time. That’s something that you’ve kind of dabbled
[00:05:18] Johanna Nuding: [00:05:18] with. Well, what I do is keep an infused olive oil in my kitchen. Right now I have a Humboldt blend. It’s got three or four different strains from different farmer friends around Humboldt.
[00:05:32] And, you know, you have to be really careful about heating it to a certain point where you’re not. Breaking it and, you know, losing all of the functional parts of the plant. And so what I end up doing is it’s a drizzling of over your sauce at the end, you know, right before you serve it to somebody or it’s incorporating it into some sort of a salad dressing or something like that.
[00:05:56] But, you know, you don’t want, after you’ve made the oil, you don’t want to [00:06:00] heat it up again. So it’s just being clever with how you use it. But. You know, in my kitchen, I’ve got my GrapeSEED oil, my olive oil, my infused olive oil and my avocado oil. And so, you know, you just pull what you want and, you know, drizzle a little here and there, but I do add it to my granola recipe.
[00:06:20] And so then in the mornings I get a little shot of THC with my breakfast every day,
[00:06:28] Bryan Fields: [00:06:28] best way to start the day. So how do you know, like how much you’re consuming when you’re pouring it? Because. Sometimes for me, especially with infuse Volvo more is always better until it’s too much more. So how do you kind of balance that?
[00:06:40] Can you,
[00:06:40] Johanna Nuding: [00:06:40] it, well, I think it’s mostly making sure, you know, how much. Flower you have in the original recipe. So like, I am creating an oil that is a microdose, you know, it’s, it’s not something that’s going to kick you in the pants. Now I [00:07:00] do have some other stuff that will kick you in the pants, but I don’t put that in my food.
[00:07:05] So if you know how much flour is in there in the beginning, then when you’re just drizzling some on you, you don’t have anything to worry about. Now I make it to where one fourth of. A cup because that’s typically what a lot of dessert recipes like muffins, cookies, that kind of thing. It’ll want to afford a cup of oil.
[00:07:23] And so I made it to where that one fourth, a cup of oil makes a. Casually baked edible. Does that make sense? Cause casually baked Is art of being functionally high
[00:07:36] Bryan Fields: [00:07:36] failed miserably at bat being functionally, because for me sometimes it’s it’s this is awesome. I just need more and more. And for me it gets harder to stop.
[00:07:43] So I guess like, I’m just thinking about the experience of making that with, with my buddies and making the chicken wings and how amazing that sauce was and just how we just kept eating that. And. I guess if Kellen your experience with that, you know, take us through that. Have you any dabbled with the infused olive oil?
[00:07:58] Kellan Finney: [00:07:58] I haven’t dabbled with infused [00:08:00] olive oil. I have made butter and use the butter to make cookies. Right. And it’s very similar. Actually, the first time we did it, we bought a bunch of a shake in college. Right. And did the whole thing into a whole ounce into 10 steaks of butter. And we used all the butter to make.
[00:08:15] Four or five brownies. And like we made the bottom of one night and one of my roommates got up early in the morning and actually went and made the brownies. And he was like eating the batter during the whole process. Then you have like a brownie and a half, like me and my other roommate came downstairs at like 10 in the morning.
[00:08:30] And we were like, oh, well, like let’s, let’s have a brownie. We’re like, where’s, where’s our other roommate. And we like, couldn’t find him. And we didn’t see him for 24 hours. Right. And like, we talked to him the next day, he comes out of his room on Sunday and he was like, I just had the craziest experience of my life.
[00:08:47] Like I was hallucinating. And like, we like ended up doing the math and we’re like, oh yeah, he consumed a, a quarter ounce in one city. And that quantity of THC is definitely, I mean, there’s a [00:09:00] reason it’s called a hallucinogen. Right. Like consume a ton of it. But I did actually have a really pleasant experience at an infused dinner in 2018 at the MJ biz conference out in Vegas.
[00:09:11] And it was done by the herbal chef. I don’t know if you’re familiar with him, but he does a lot of really cool infusion soft and everything he was talking about was making that oil and exactly what you mentioned in terms of dosing it out properly for that quarter cup. And it was one of the most unique, awesome experiences in my life.
[00:09:28] It was like a seven course meal and like none of the actual food had it, it was all the sauces that were infused. Right. And like that balance of like the actual casually baked aspect of it, it was, it was phenomenal because like, throughout the course of the night, you could just look around and see everyone just kind of like getting like giggly and more happy.
[00:09:47] And like, no one like actually hit that like super stone wall. You know what I mean? Like everyone was still very, very social. So. It definitely is an art form in my opinion, and in terms of managing that. And so I give my hats off for [00:10:00] anyone that can make that, make that a reality, because it’s beautiful when you’re able to experience
[00:10:04] Johanna Nuding: [00:10:04] it.
[00:10:05] There are a couple of fun ways that you can manage that. I have been at a party once where someone made some amazing dessert and they made the exact same dessert. Where I call it unleaded, you know, without the weed in it. And so everybody, you had one of those and then she replaced the plate with the unleaded version.
[00:10:30] So when people came back and wanted more, they didn’t accidentally keep consuming more THC. And then the other thing is to have a CBD infused oil. So that you can have that little roller coaster of the THC takes you up. And the CBD brings you down a little bit and you know, that’s a fun, little ride, but easy ways that you can help manage it.
[00:10:53] Bryan Fields: [00:10:53] It kind of kick in after you put the olive oil in any of your
[00:10:56] meals.
[00:10:57] Johanna Nuding: [00:10:57] Well, I think we’re, you know, we’re all different. I tell [00:11:00] people we’re all precious snowflakes and you know, the way our genetics are, you know, I metabolize THC. I’d metabolize cannabinoids faster than most people. So I can be high and back down again, where I know people that have had an edible and they felt it for two and a half or three days.
[00:11:23] And I always thought they were full of shit until I had an epigenetic. Panel run. And I found out exactly how cannabis interacts with my body. I know exactly how it all works. And so then I’m like, oh, they weren’t crazy. That actually happens to some people. So, you know, I think 30, you know, for some within 30 minutes, they’re probably feeling it.
[00:11:48] Some people, it may take a couple hours before they’re really feeling something, but, you know, with CBD though, You just feel a lightness of being, you know, and some somebody that doesn’t consume [00:12:00] cannabis will be like, I’m high. You said, I wouldn’t feel high I’m high. And I’m like, no, you just have, you know, the weight off of your shoulders.
[00:12:08] And that’s a lovely thing.
[00:12:10] Bryan Fields: [00:12:10] Yeah. That’s I think that’s perfectly said. And I think for the people who are on Botanic Cheerios, when they take CBD for the first time therein, it’s a painting to be high, so much. At any sort of alteration in their normal feeling, even if it’s just kind of a placebo effect, I kind of makes them believe, Hey, I’m really high.
[00:12:27] Maybe they received sin. And you’re like, no, like just take a deep breath, like reset and then realize that like you’re just starting to relax and feels
[00:12:35] Johanna Nuding: [00:12:35] slightly different. Yeah. And the placebo effect is a huge thing. Like our minds are so powerful. It’s. You know, we think it, we become it, you know, that is our thoughts become things.
[00:12:48] So yeah. If you think you’re high, guess you can probably will it to be.
[00:12:52] Bryan Fields: [00:12:52] Yeah. All right. Let’s dive into some fun questions, cannabis, tourism. What does that currently look [00:13:00] like?
[00:13:00] Johanna Nuding: [00:13:00] Well, right now, I’m not sure what it looks like. Anywhere outside of where I live. And I think COVID has, you know, made it to where it’s kind of non-existent, but as things are opening back up, you know, there are, besides the tours, you know, the tour buses that you can get on, that’ll take you to some dispensaries and.
[00:13:23] You know, in Colorado, I think it’s, there’s more of a party bus feel to it. In California, in Northern California, specifically, they’ve got this cannabis trail that’s opening up where you’re exploring the history of the cannabis culture in San Francisco and, you know, driving up the 1 0 1 there’s the cannabis trail, I think is what they’re calling it, but there will be placards up along.
[00:13:49]Historical markers that are showing like, this is where the first cannabis farm has been found, or this is where this person lived, or this is what happened here. And so, you know, I [00:14:00] think it’s going to depend on where you are as to what that might look like, but if somebody’s visiting from illegal state, the thing that I’m trying to do as a cannabis lifestyle guide is, you know, if you’ve never experienced cannabis, I want you to be able to come.
[00:14:18] To my state, my area, and have a positive experience because you have all of the basic knowledge and you have an idea of what you want and how you want to feel. You know, so we kind of craft an experience for somebody based around who they are and who they’re hanging out with, you know, set and setting sort of things.
[00:14:42] And you know, for me, what I offer people is behind the scenes looks at craft cannabis in the Emerald triangle and what sustainable farming is and what home gardening cannabis looks like. And how do you pick [00:15:00] herbs? To help make your own medicine. And I do, you know, medicine making classes with people and we cook a meal together.
[00:15:09] We play with the oils and, and all the time, while we’re hanging out there having a one-on-one or a small group setting with a cannabis lifestyle guide, who’s been living this life for 20 years and. You know, I think that there is so much nuance that for somebody to just come in and, you know, they hit a dispensary, they overbuy, they get gummies.
[00:15:36] Everybody’s like, well, I got to get the gummies. And then, you know, they had home and they’re nervous to fly with it. So then they’re like, you know, giving away gummies, I end up with more gummies and I don’t even eat them very much, but you know, the thing is. There’s such a diverse culture within cannabis.
[00:15:58] And I want to be [00:16:00] able to show people exactly what they want to see. You know, I mean, some people that are, you know, they’ve loved their Colorado cannabis and they want to see what a giant indoor grow looks like, you know, and take them up the street to my friends at nug and, you know, see a huge operation where it’s.
[00:16:20] Seed to sale in this one building, you know, or we go up the road to Northern California and, you know, drive on a windy road for an hour and come to a clearing and there are water tanks and, you know, a giant cannabis farm. And, you know, there’s just so much to see. And I think. It’s just enticing people with their current curiosities and, and giving them an experience that they couldn’t buy anywhere
[00:16:47] Bryan Fields: [00:16:47] else.
[00:16:48] Sounds amazing. And I think it’s so perfect for, for, as you describe the people, for example, on the east coast, we just haven’t experienced these things, but have heard what’s going on in Colorado and California and are interested in [00:17:00] kind of seeing that because for some of the older generation here on the east coast, you know, they have the experience of cannabis from back in the college or some of the tours and.
[00:17:07] You know, getting to one of these facilities like you’re describing it has to be eyeopening for them. So where’s the first place you take them when you, when you get a small group, that’s kind of really interested in ready to go, because obviously that first impression is so perfect when you see their faces and their eyes.
[00:17:21] Johanna Nuding: [00:17:21] Yeah. It’s it’s overwhelming for people when they walk into dispensary. And I really do love watching people’s faces when they walk in. But the very first thing that I do is I bring them into my studio and we have. A lifestyle session. I’m just like, you know, when was the last time you smoked cannabis?
[00:17:41] When was the time before that, you know, like, let’s see how often you do this. And. And, you know, what’s your lifestyle? Like what, you know, what, how comfortable are you being intoxicated? You know, have you ever consumed cannabis and alcohol simultaneously? [00:18:00] Like all of these things are important, especially in California, where we have this trifecta of wine country, weed country and craft beer and cider.
[00:18:10] You know, you do all three of those things. I’ve seen somebody get, so crossfaded and fall out in the middle of a restaurant at like six 30 in the evening. Like we’re barely getting started. And so, you know, there are these cautionary tales that I like to be able to share with people after I kind of assess where they are and then, you know, I think that dispensary’s are also unique.
[00:18:37] I would take, I take people to different dispensaries based on who they are, you know, whether it’s a couple or, you know, a single person, somebody who is curious about the California sober lifestyle and once. To explore. Drinkables I’ve got to take them to a dispensary that has a really good drinkable selection.
[00:18:57] So, you know, for me, it just, I do a little bit of [00:19:00] homework based on the people that I’m with so that I can give them a completely unique experience.
[00:19:05] Bryan Fields: [00:19:05] Yeah, and I want to go to you on this because on this podcast, we always talk about the education and the stigma and the massive challenge that it is and removing the kind of common stigma of the canvas stoner.
[00:19:16] So from your perspective, I mean, it, it seems like she’s nailing exactly the educational level. And I think, you know, what does the, the feeling on the west coast have with, with these, these posters, with these wide eyes coming out and kind of experiencing this for the first time?
[00:19:30] Kellan Finney: [00:19:30] Yeah. I mean, education is absolutely the most critical aspect associated with de stigmatizing cannabis nationally.
[00:19:39] Right. And I mean, it is a completely different world from the east coast, just from the type of people that inhabit the west coast versus the type of people that didn’t have it, the east coast. And so. You do have to walk that really, really delicate line that a generalist describing because blasting the industry needs is someone to come [00:20:00] out and go explore these things and be like, oh my God, it is the devil’s lettuce.
[00:20:05] And I’m going to go tell everyone that I got so messed up, that I couldn’t even see straight. And it’s worse than alcohol. And like, I was not like, all these things are just, it’s not what the industry needs. And so. You the way that she’s approaching this as exactly how it needs to be, you know, from a de-stigmatizing cannabis as well as educating, right?
[00:20:23] Like that balance is so crucial right now for the industry, especially where it’s at. And so, I mean, what, what’s your stance on that coming from the east coast, Brian being kind of a younger generation, right? I mean, how was your parents Perceive going out to California and jumping on a nice like wine tour van situation, but instead of wine, they’re going out and seeing these pot farms, like what would be, what would be your father’s kind of reaction to something like that?
[00:20:49] I
[00:20:49] Bryan Fields: [00:20:49] think in his mind is, might be the greatest thing that ever existed. And this might be worthwhile to move out forever because like, I can’t wait to go share with him this idea and this concept and him the [00:21:00] return, like how quickly can I get out there because. You know what he used experienced from like rolling tiny joints, what he could experience.
[00:21:06] I knew work tour. It’s just an open his eyes to all these other things. And I guess I want to follow up with like, what’s the typical age group that does something like this? Is it more on the younger side? Do you think it’s better for the older side? Because obviously the tour is, is dependent on the age group because you’re wanting to cater to them, like you said.
[00:21:21] So I’m just curious, you know, where does, where does the age
[00:21:24] Johanna Nuding: [00:21:24] fit in? You know, it’s really. I believe it can be all over the map, but when you’re thinking about somebody who can afford to do something like this, I’m like, you know, mid thirties, but I have a woman coming out from North Carolina, I’m in the middle of July and she lives a sober lifestyle.
[00:21:44] And she is curious about the California sober thing. And you know, she and I have had sessions before over the phone or, you know, zoom. And she’s also a patron of the podcast, patrion.com backslash [00:22:00] casually baked. And so I had said,
[00:22:06] you know, you gotta do what you can when you’re a coordinator. And so I had put this out there. I was like, okay guys, I now have access to a farm, stay in the wine and weed country. I’m thinking about doing personalized experiences. And she immediately was just sign me up. I, first of all, adore you and I want to have you to myself for a few days, but I also want to experience being able to go to happy hour and have a cocktail, but it not be booze.
[00:22:40] And you know, and so she and I are going to explore the California sober lifestyle. And like I said, I’m going to teach her how to make her own. Tinctures and stuff, so she can create this at home for herself, but then also let her try. You know, the Hi-Fi [00:23:00] hops by, you know, log Anita’s and the paps blue ribbons, new lemon seltzer and, you know, Wonderland and all of these great drinkables, you know, one of the things that I liked to explore within the drinkables market, because I’m into that as well is, you know, the low sugar options, you know, you’ve read the label and it’s like, oh, well, this only has.
[00:23:24] Four grams of sugar, but then it says, once you get a little bit further down, it’s like, oh, Well, that’s four grams of sugar for a three milligram dose, and I want 10 milligrams. So now it’s not really feeling so low sugar to me anymore. So, you know, it’s also educating people on how to explore that kind of stuff, because if you are interested in a cannabis for wellness lifestyle, like I live, then you do care about the sugar content, but that’s why I hate most of the gummies.
[00:23:59] Is it [00:24:00] because, you know, it’s a gummy that’s then, you know, covered in sugar crystals. And it’s just like, why did you do that last part? I didn’t need that, but they’re just doing all this taste masking with sugar. And I just think that there’s more competition in the industry. We’re going to have a lot better options.
[00:24:18] Soon people that are utilizing say Monkfruit or, you know, date juice or something like that versus just raw sugar. I kind of went off on a tangent. Sorry.
[00:24:29] Bryan Fields: [00:24:29] No, it’s perfect. And for those who are just unfamiliar with the California sober wellness pro can you just kind of share just quickly what that is, just so that they have some understanding?
[00:24:39] Johanna Nuding: [00:24:39] Sure. So, you know, I am somebody who I still drink alcohol on occasion. It’s mostly a really nice glass of red wine or an Aperol spritz on a hot afternoon, but it is replacing. You know, no hard drugs, you know, there any it’s [00:25:00] natural whole plant medicine for both wellness and entertainment. And so it’s just a more mindful approach to socialization and, and being with your friends and imbibing.
[00:25:14] And so the opportunity really is, you know, to try it out and and start kind of figuring out what that’s like. And then, you know, Incorporating alcohol in maybe the next day and seeing how you feel like what’s different. You know, for me, once I got north of 40, I started waking up with really bad headaches after not drinking very much.
[00:25:41] And so there was just this like Seesaw effect of like, well, this night, I had cannabis infused drinks and I woke up and I felt just fine. And this night I drank wine and I had a really rough day the next day. And so I think for people that live here and [00:26:00] participate in it, You know, it, it starts out as an experiment and then it quickly becomes a no brainer
[00:26:06] Bryan Fields: [00:26:06] music to my ears, because for me the same way that one gods flying and my body doesn’t handle it so well where those Intuit’s beverages, I feel great at night.
[00:26:15] And the next day I feel normal. And if I was given an option right now of never having a hangover again, I would sign up every single time. And in fact means never having booze again. You know, I mean, sure. I would of course have the occasional drink here and there, but you know, that option and that be ability to go to a beverage that kind of relaxes me and makes me feel good.
[00:26:34] And wake up with that. Anglers said no
[00:26:36] Johanna Nuding: [00:26:36] brainer. And you know, I will admit that. Being a little bit red wine drunk and high is a fucking amazing feeling. But you know, it’s like, okay, now we got to hit stop at like eight 30 or 8 45 and chug a liter of water before we go to bed. So, you know, I’m S I’ll still do that, but I just know that I have to completely [00:27:00] hydrate and be fine before I go to sleep.
[00:27:02] It’s hard to do. It is hard to do. And, you know, and that’s one of the things where I’m like, I constantly have to defend my lifestyle to my parents when they’re like, you spend how much for rent, why are you still living in California? I’m like wine, weather and weed. Like you can’t give me all of those things in Texas.
[00:27:21] And so, you know, when people come out here, I still want to showcase the amazing wine culture of California. And so, you know, when I do tours with people, it’s like, there will be a Y if you’re into it, there’s a wine day. There’s a weed day. You know, we can hit the mountains or we can hit the redwoods and go for a hike.
[00:27:44] Like I want to showcase wine, weather and weed in the states and specifically in Northern California. And it’s, it’s just a beautiful mixture. Like when you can have all three of those things working. Together, like it’s magic. [00:28:00] You
[00:28:00] Bryan Fields: [00:28:00] think vineyards will slowly adapting and kind of integrate that area into their facilities as well.
[00:28:06] Because if you could go to one destination, incorporate a little bit of both. I mean, you’re now opening yourself up to such a wider consumer base. And at the end of the day, right? Like you were saying that pairing of the red wine and the nice little J works beautifully together and sure. They’re not upselling each other, but if it’s both available, One might lead to
[00:28:25] Johanna Nuding: [00:28:25] the other.
[00:28:26] There are starting to be collaboration and I will say within, you know, The last several years, there’s been that collaboration’s happening, where I live of cannabis brands, partnering with, you know, family, wineries that they know. And I think the real connection and the real education for people there is it’s about the tasting.
[00:28:50] It’s about the nose. It’s about the terpenes So teaching somebody who understands wine. The same way to assess cannabis. [00:29:00] So allowing them to discern what they’re smelling, what the flavor profile is on wine, and then set that down and then do the same thing with a paired cannabis flower that’s, you know, that’s something that I’ve seen done.
[00:29:14]A lot of it or at. Like what Kellan was talking about at the dinners, you know, these infused dinners, where they are pairing the wine with the food, with the specific cannabis, for that specific thing. And I think it has to happen in a really interesting collaborative way right now, because you know, of the legalities of things and not being able to mix the alcohol and the cannabis, but, you know, that’s one of the things that I am, you know, trying to.
[00:29:45] Find the nuance and you know, my friend who owns the, the farm stay w that I’m partnering with, you know They have grapes on their property. It’s a, an old wine family and she went to school and is a winemaker. And so, [00:30:00] you know, I’ve said, Hey, I may tap you to teach a terpene class every now and again.
[00:30:04] And, you know, be somebody who goes along on the ride with some more sophisticated wine drinkers, because I do want people to feel. Not only like they’re having a really unique experience, but they’re, they’re being a little bit challenged. They’re learning something, you know, I think that’s something that we should never stop doing.
[00:30:23] I am constantly curious and I want to infuse that in everything that I do so that when somebody leaves they’re like that, that was the most magical experience. I will never forget that. That’s what I’m looking
[00:30:39] Bryan Fields: [00:30:39] for. Yeah, I’m
[00:30:43] Kellan Finney: [00:30:43] gonna say that that is definitely the direction. I mean, especially with California passing the Appalachian kind of laws, you can see the early formations of them trying to treat cannabis in the same fashion that they’re that wine has been treated.
[00:30:56] And I think that that’s going to really help separate cannabis from the [00:31:00] quote unquote kind of commodity phrase that people have tried to classify cannabis as. Because I don’t know if it really is a commodity based on the unique aspects associated with every single different strain, just like with grapes.
[00:31:12] So I think we’re in the early stages of that right now, hopefully.
[00:31:15] Johanna Nuding: [00:31:15] Right. Well, and I agree, and I think that that is the fun part for consumers is to give them the story because when we do go on a trip and we buy wine and then we’re serving it to our friends at a dinner, You know, like, oh, this was, it was the most beautiful day we went and we sat out on this farm and we pet the goats and did the thing.
[00:31:40] And, you know, everybody has a story about this wine and now people can have a story about the cannabis. You know, there’s one of my friend’s farms. It’s huckleberry hill farms. It is the most beautifully manicured property you’ve ever seen. I mean, it [00:32:00] showcases. Cannabis. Like, I can’t even, it’s so beautiful.
[00:32:05] It brings tears to your eyes. I mean, all of the plants that are helping, like with pest control and the pest management, they just make sure they add pops of color and, you know, everything is just, it’s just serene. And that if someone thinks about a cannabis farm, They don’t think of that, but the first time they lay eyes on that property, it will forever change them.
[00:32:30] And, you know, being able to. Walk somebody through that experience and have a second generation farmer, teach them how to properly trim a bud and to grind and roll a farmer rolled, you know, joints, a big fatty, like, and then they get to take that home with them, you know, like, come on. It doesn’t get better than that.
[00:32:52] And so, yeah, I think storytelling is going to be another really big piece of it.
[00:32:57] Bryan Fields: [00:32:57] What is the most common question that [00:33:00] you field as a cannabis lifestyle guy?
[00:33:03] Johanna Nuding: [00:33:03] Have you ever heard of this CBD? Do you recommend this one?
[00:33:12] Oh, you know what? I finally broke down and did a little bit of homework and found an affiliate. Because I’m like, I jeez, like there’s a bazillion CBDs. And so now I just, I added a podcast affiliate page to my website. And if people ask for a CBD recommendation, I just send them there. You know, but it’s like, you can take whatever you want, just know where it was made.
[00:33:39] Make sure that it has a QR code that actually has the certificate of analysis attached to it. Make sure you can read it. You know, if you got it from a gas station, it’s already a little suspect to me, you know?
[00:33:53] Bryan Fields: [00:33:53] Yeah. It’s usually my response to it. It’s like, where did you buy it? And it’s like a gas station, so, well, we can start there and realize likely not a good [00:34:00] purchase or the other people.
[00:34:01] It’s like, I, I purchased a cream. My mom asked me, my friend purchased a cream and she didn’t feel anything. And I was like, well, I don’t know what she purchased. I don’t know what she was intending to feel. I don’t know anything about that. So if you’d like me just to make up a response, I’m happy to do that.
[00:34:14] Or I can get some more information and it’s, it’s a, it’s a challenge, right? Because you want to give people a positive experience and let them know that like, there’s, there’s something to be there, but at the same time, you don’t want to mislead them. And I, sometimes their expectations are just not real
[00:34:28] Johanna Nuding: [00:34:28] with.
[00:34:29] Yeah, I agree. And, you know, I created educational resources. That was the very first thing I did. And. It was me trying to make sense of it all myself. So, you know, going online, doing my homework and I started piecing everything together into what I call the cannabis class resource guide. And so that’s something that I sell on my website.
[00:34:54] It’s something that I give away to people, you know, in my life that have lots of questions. And I’m [00:35:00] just like, this is a short, quick, easy to read. Nice. Pretty graphics. And there’s a glossary in the back that way, if you don’t even understand what a word is, look it up and, you know, just otherwise I’m like, I, you can hire me to do a personalized class with you, but that otherwise listen to my podcasts.
[00:35:23] Bryan Fields: [00:35:23] Biggest misconception. Since you started working in the cannabis space.
[00:35:28] Johanna Nuding: [00:35:28] Hmm. Well, when I started, I guess it’s been almost six years ago, the first thing I noticed that education was the giant gaping hole in the market. And I think the majority of people fancy themselves educators now, and, and that piece is getting better.
[00:35:45] I think the biggest misconception for people that don’t work in the industry is that we’re all getting rich. Which isn’t true. The other thing that I think is that misconception is that cannabis is cannabis [00:36:00] and all cannabis is not treated or shouldn’t be treated equally. You know, there is a looking under the hood that needs to happen.
[00:36:09] You know, if you, if you believe that your indoor stuff is the best, like. Where, what are the sustainability practices of the people that are growing that, you know, what’s their footprint like? And, you know, we all vote with our dollars and, you know, I think being educated consumers and understanding where your product comes from, you know, I preach it’s so important to know your farmer.
[00:36:34] Now whether or not you have the privilege, like I do to know them personally, but at least having looked them up, gone to their website, see what their practices are explored. That certificate of analysis, because you know, cannabis is cannabis is cannabis is bullshit.
[00:36:53] Bryan Fields: [00:36:53] Well, we do print where we live predictions.
[00:36:56] We ask all of our guests two questions. If you could sum up your [00:37:00] experience into one lesson learned or main takeaway to pass on to the next generation, what would it be?
[00:37:07] Johanna Nuding: [00:37:07] Live a highly inspired life.
[00:37:11] Bryan Fields: [00:37:11] The last time you consumed any cannabinoids, like
[00:37:15] Johanna Nuding: [00:37:15] five seconds before I got on this call with you.
[00:37:22] Bryan Fields: [00:37:22] Regions across the United States, such as Sonoma, California had gained reputation for being known as the wine country. Where will cannabis country be? And let’s let’s, let’s, let’s spell that whole I’m before I do that, I don’t want to easy answers. That’s it. We can’t take humble. We got to take a little more of a challenge.
[00:37:39] Let’s let’s try to guess a little, he had this
[00:37:41] Kellan Finney: [00:37:41] conversation with me as well. He took that off the board. You said I wasn’t allowed to say Humboldt
[00:37:47] Johanna Nuding: [00:37:47] in the Emerald triangle.
[00:37:49] Bryan Fields: [00:37:49] I think we can all talk that up. We’ll agree. That’s that’s the top spot, but if we were going to find, let’s say an up and comer or one that you would say is not commonly associated with [00:38:00] cannabis country, where do you think that could be?
[00:38:03] Johanna Nuding: [00:38:03] Well right now, Oklahoma is the hot wild west. I think that there is a lot of exciting things that could happen in Texas and Oklahoma and, you know, going up the, the Bible belt. But you heard, you heard the trigger word there, so who knows what’s going to happen, but right now, as it stands, the Pacific Northwest is.
[00:38:32] Is the grandfathered cannabis country. Kelly’s shaking his head. He agrees with me.
[00:38:39] Kellan Finney: [00:38:39] I got a lot of time up in Arcata and Humboldt. That’s how I got my whole start in the industry. So I have just. Tremendous amount of respect for the individuals. And I mean, they carried the torch the last 30 years, you know what I mean?
[00:38:51] And some of the tricks of the trade and their knowledge in the space and doing it all, being bootstrapped with helicopters, flying above them is [00:39:00] something that you got to give your hats off. And they’re the reason the industry is where it’s at in my opinion. But as far as a second, a close second, and kind of flying under the radar, every traditional grower I’ve talked to or been around and.
[00:39:12]The biggest thing dealing with humidity is really challenging, right? And so dry arid climates really help from a pest mitigation standpoint in the cultivation process. Right. And so I’ve talked to a lot of people that say back in the day that New Mexico was a really big hotbed. Just because of the ease of growing, you didn’t have to use nearly as many tricks or tools to kind of mitigate any pasts and that dry arid climate made curing a much easier, faster process.
[00:39:41] So I would say that there is a lot of potential in like the New Mexico area. Even maybe Arizona, if you can find some. Some locate like an Oasis, right. With enough water to keep them fed. So I think that’s going to be the biggest challenge, but I know that a lot of the best growers I’ve ever talked to have mentioned that [00:40:00] dry arid places, the middle of the desert, if you have water, that would be a sweet, sweet place
[00:40:04] Johanna Nuding: [00:40:04] to grow some fire.
[00:40:06] Well, then my family’s ranch might be a hot bed, but I did talk to some growers who were in the desert and. They were using just drip irrigation and yes, I think also with the, the first nations, like if they can get some sort of laws in place, like when I was driving from Oakland back to Texas during the pandemic to hang out with my family for a month and I was driving, you know, I like taking the back roads and seeing things and I was so sad driving through New Mexico and seeing like, Where these tribal nations have been pushed to.
[00:40:49] And I’m like, there’s nobody driving through here to go to your little business or get gas at your gas station. Like there’s. It was just sad [00:41:00] and desolate. And I’m like, if they, if cannabis could turn those Berry micro populated places around, that would be such a beautiful thing.
[00:41:08] Bryan Fields: [00:41:08] Yeah. I think that’s really well said because like we’ve seen when new states come online, there’s such a rush for people to kind of dumped those dispensaries and if they can get a more personalized one-on-one experience.
[00:41:19] It would definitely drive traffic to some of these areas and definitely improved some of the way things are not well. And
[00:41:24] Johanna Nuding: [00:41:24] also there’s opportunities now for like drone delivery and, you know, and trying to create some sort of opportunities where, you know, if there was some distribution center that could be populated there.
[00:41:40] And I just, I don’t know. I just think we can get super creative. And support these communities that have been, you know, downtrodden from the things that our government has done to them. So it’s like, can we make up for that now?
[00:41:53] Bryan Fields: [00:41:53] So Joanna, before we wrap up, where can our listeners get in touch with you?
[00:41:57] Where can they connect? Where can they learn more about the [00:42:00] podcast and the
[00:42:00] Johanna Nuding: [00:42:00] lifestyle guide? I tried to make things super easy just for you. So casually baked.com. At casually baked on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. And actually, if you love cannabis and you want to support the cannabis creator community.
[00:42:18] Go to weed tube folks go to weed tube.com. A lot of creators that got taken down from YouTube and were never able to get back on that platform. They crowd funded and put together this site. And so I recently have started my own page and I’m starting to upload some stuff there so that I can help support these other content creators that did get dumped off YouTube.
[00:42:41] I’m still on there, but I create highly responsible. Content that doesn’t ruffle a lot of feathers, but but I recognize that I’m lucky that I can still be there. So we tube.com support it, check it out.
[00:42:55] Bryan Fields: [00:42:55] We’ll link all that in the show notes. Thank you so much for your time.
[00:42:58] Johanna Nuding: [00:42:58] Yes. One thing. If [00:43:00] people are curious about the actual travel piece, there’s a hidden page on my website.
[00:43:05] If you go to casually baked.com backslash travel, you will get to a little form that. Asks you some questions asks what you’re interested in, what months you would want to travel and kind of gets the conversation. Started with me on the cannabis infused travel
[00:43:25] Bryan Fields: [00:43:25] exclusivity to make it fun.
[00:43:27] Johanna Nuding: [00:43:27] Well, yes, and I worked in real estate for a while, and I don’t want to be somebody that you can just find on Airbnb kind of a deal.
[00:43:34] It’s a pocket listing, if you will. So if you know, somebody’s got to know somebody or they’ve just got to heard me on the dime or, you know, whatever that is to find it.
[00:43:46] Bryan Fields: [00:43:46] Well, you just saved me, sending you an email, asking you where the form is because Ellen and I will definitely be taking you up on that trip as soon as we, we get back on the road.
[00:43:54] Thank you so much for
[00:43:54] Johanna Nuding: [00:43:54] your time. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it, guys. This was fun. [00:44:00]
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